How to use TunerPro to scan

[jasonsmith]

I'm wanting to scan to see what my car is doing, ie TPS volts, RPM's, IAC counts, etc.

I've downloaded the Tunerpro, Tunerpro RT, and Winaldl. I've got a Moates cable and downloaded the driver.

Hook everything up, open programs, start it up. And nothing. I guess I'll have to try and figure it out before I return the cable.

[robertisaar]

what year and model is the vehicle you're trying to scan?

or, if the ECM or PROM has been swapped before, what were they intended for?

[jasonsmith]

what year and model is the vehicle you're trying to scan?

or, if the ECM or PROM has been swapped before, what were they intended for?

I've got two cars I plan to scan that are stock with original ECM:

89 TBI LO3 Firebird
89 TPI Corvette that has MAF

[robertisaar]

off-hand, i know the TPI car uses the 6E definition and you'll have to temporarily enable the 10K resistor to get the 8192 baud datastream going, assuming you have the right ADS selected and the correct port selected as well.

from the sounds of it, you're using V4? if so, the regular TP isn't useful at all for datalogging, though the RT version should work fine.

once we get the TPI car working, we can focus on the TBI, ok?

[jasonsmith]

off-hand, i know the TPI car uses the 6E definition and you'll have to temporarily enable the 10K resistor to get the 8192 baud datastream going, assuming you have the right ADS selected and the correct port selected as well.

from the sounds of it, you're using V4? if so, the regular TP isn't useful at all for datalogging, though the RT version should work fine.

once we get the TPI car working, we can focus on the TBI, ok?

Ok, thanks. I was trying with the RT version.

I was thinking it was simple with a download and hook up cable. But I guess there is more to it. What else do I need to download?

[robertisaar]

well, if you have the program, the USB-serial driver and the cable hooked up, get into the windows device manager and see which port it comes up as. then go into tunerpro RT, go to tools -> preferences, then click over to the ALDL/emulation tab and select the port there.

now, make sure you have the correct ADS loaded for the vehicle you want to scan, in the case of the TPI car, you'll want 6E definition, which i believe was included in the download of the main program, but if not, go here:

http://tunerpro.net/downloadBinDefs.htm

and the first line you'll see "6E, etc, etc, etc", well click on the link that says "1227165_6E.ads" and save it to the tunerpro "datastreams" folder. when you're done with that, go back to tunerpro, press F4, select browse, choose the definiton, and then you're most of the way there.

i've never actually dealt with one of these ECMs, so i'm not sure of the exact order of operations after that point. it's one of the oddball ECMs.

[jasonsmith]

well, if you have the program, the USB-serial driver and the cable hooked up, get into the windows device manager and see which port it comes up as. then go into tunerpro RT, go to tools -> preferences, then click over to the ALDL/emulation tab and select the port there.

now, make sure you have the correct ADS loaded for the vehicle you want to scan, in the case of the TPI car, you'll want 6E definition, which i believe was included in the download of the main program, but if not, go here:

http://tunerpro.net/downloadBinDefs.htm

and the first line you'll see "6E, etc, etc, etc", well click on the link that says "1227165_6E.ads" and save it to the tunerpro "datastreams" folder. when you're done with that, go back to tunerpro, press F4, select browse, choose the definiton, and then you're most of the way there.

i've never actually dealt with one of these ECMs, so i'm not sure of the exact order of operations after that point. it's one of the oddball ECMs.

Thanks. I had the port setup.

And it does look like it already has that file. So, I'll try it again tommorrow.

Do you by any chance know of the file I'd need to download for 89 TBI LO3?

[robertisaar]

looks like that's a $61 application.

[jasonsmith]

looks like that's a $61 application.

How do you download that? I remember seeing that, but when you click on the links. It just takes you to a page with lots of text. Not sure how to download that and install it in the Tunerpro RT.

I hope that is right, since it says to download at your own risk. I was thinking these programs were self contained and didn't need to download extra at your own risk files.

[robertisaar]

hmm.... that seems to depend on the browser.... both FF and IE did that to me. you should be able to right-click and save-as and give it the correct extension (.ADS) and it should work fine. otherwise, i can zip and email them if necessary.

and think of it this way: tunerpro was originally intended to allow you to play with GM OBD1 cars, and that was it..... since then, people have developed MANY uses in other manufacturers and now it looks like OBD2 is going to be possible as well, so instead of having to integrate everything into the program and bloat it and then release constant updates since people work on the definitions at different rates, they're basically like plug-ins now, choose what you need, load it up and get on with life.

that being said, i made the 61 ADS(along with a lot of other ones as well)

i'm fairly certain there is nothing malicious in it.

[jasonsmith]

hmm.... that seems to depend on the browser.... both FF and IE did that to me. you should be able to right-click and save-as and give it the correct extension (.ADS) and it should work fine. otherwise, i can zip and email them if necessary.

and think of it this way: tunerpro was originally intended to allow you to play with GM OBD1 cars, and that was it..... since then, people have developed MANY uses in other manufacturers and now it looks like OBD2 is going to be possible as well, so instead of having to integrate everything into the program and bloat it and then release constant updates since people work on the definitions at different rates, they're basically like plug-ins now, choose what you need, load it up and get on with life.

that being said, i made the 61 ADS(along with a lot of other ones as well)

i'm fairly certain there is nothing malicious in it.

I appreciate it. Just not used to downloading user file content per say.

I did the right click save, and dragged it into the definition file folder. The LO3 etc. info showed up.

I will try to scan again tommorrow. Thanks.

[robertisaar]

mark does all of the heavy lifting with making and fixing tunerpro, i try and help out with the ADS/ADX and XDF files as much as i can, can't hurt to have the userbase grow.

[jasonsmith]

mark does all of the heavy lifting with making and fixing tunerpro, i try and help out with the ADS/ADX and XDF files as much as i can, can't hurt to have the userbase grow.

I was able to read data from both the Firebird and Vette. Looks like on the Vette after you are reading data, you can turn the 10k resistor off. And it looks like there are different windows you have to open to read different data.

The one thing I couldn't figure out. Is how do you start recording the info so you can start the car up, shut it off. Then stop the recording and save the data as a file?

I have a high RPM flare up on start up. So I'm wanting to read the data while it is starting, but there is too much data to read at once in a few seconds. So, it would be nice to record it and save it so I could go back and review the data.

[robertisaar]

considering you're using V4:

press F4

click "select log file for playback/recording"

choose a location and a name for this logfile, press open, press yes

now connect to the ECM, get some kind of data flowing, then press the record button as seen in the F4 menu. when you're finished, press stop, and you just recorded a log. to play it back, press F4, hit the play button(or do it at the top of the screen).

you can also export the log to view in excel or other similar spreadsheet programs.

[jasonsmith]

considering you're using V4:

press F4

click "select log file for playback/recording"

choose a location and a name for this logfile, press open, press yes

now connect to the ECM, get some kind of data flowing, then press the record button as seen in the F4 menu. when you're finished, press stop, and you just recorded a log. to play it back, press F4, hit the play button(or do it at the top of the screen).

you can also export the log to view in excel or other similar spreadsheet programs.

Thanks. I'll mess with it again. I'll probably name my files with the date so I can keep them in order.

Could I start recording with the key in the "on" position? As I'd like to start recording before I start the car up since I'm wanting to look at what is happening while I'm cranking it since the RPM's like to go real high for a split second then come back down for some reason when I start it up.

[robertisaar]

any time the ECM is active(not just keeping power to the SAM), the you should be able to log from it, so as long as the key is rolled forward, you should be able to.

[jasonsmith]

I was able to get data. Though, it looks like the data for the Firebird is rather limited. You don't get any Dash or Monitors data. And the ALDL values are rather limited. You don't get things like knock counts, etc. That is one thing I was wanting to check on the Firebird. The Vette seems to have alot of data.

It would be nice if you could play it in a slow speed. Like if you could choose between 3 different slow speeds. As the data changes real fast. Also, I'd like if you could say pause it. Then use your left or right arrow to advance it or go back one step. That way it is easier to look through it vs. having to hit the pause button a ton of times, then having to start over if you need to go back a few steps.

Any tips on how to display the data on the net? I was gonna do a copy and paste, but it seems you can't do that. I really wouldn't want to have to retype all the data if say I wanted to post a snap shot of something.

Thanks

[robertisaar]

i'll have to look at the stream again, but yes, those old 160baud streams were usually pretty sparse.

dash and monitors can be setup, it's too difficult, IIRC, just right click on an area and choose what you want there.

and lucky you: there are ways to step through frame-by-frame or skip 10 at a time, but no speed change, that's new to V5.

jumping forward 10 frames is ctrl + up, 10 frames back is ctrl + down, 1 frame forward is ctrl + right, 1 frame backward is ctrl + left. if you forget those, click tools->aldl/datalogging, and then you'll see those commands at the bottom of the list.

as for showing logs.... you could probably upload them to any number of free file-hosting sites and then paste a link here.

EDIT: the value OLDPA3 in the firebird stream? that's actually knock counts. i don't know why it's refered that way, but it is.

[jasonsmith]

Ok, thanks. Sure would be nice if it had more data for the LO3 like with the L98.

[robertisaar]

that would require intimate details about the datastream location in the BIN and all of the variables in the RAM.